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BAP, brassinolide, triacontanol, Amino, kelp foliar question

Postby bta on Thu Jun 07, 2007 7:27 pm

Good afternoon,

This is my first post here but I have been 'lurking' for a while, great site.

I want to make a pre-mixed foliar solution in concentrate or 'ready-to-use' form which includes Ascophyllum Nodusum (kelp) liquid extract as a 'base'. I am making this for a few friends who like the idea of my humble home-made solution. I am hoping some of you may offer your opinion on my proposed foliar solution, what it may be lacking or what it may not need.

Ideally I'd like to make a pre-mixed concentrate solution which can be added to water for dilution before use. Here are is a collection of some of my questions you might wish to answer:
a) Can the following components be pre-mixed and then stored or do they have to be used right away after mixing?
b) Can they be mixed together in concentrated liquid form within the kelp as the base?
c) What are 'standard' ratios (ppm?) for these components when used with tomatoes, peppers and other sun-loving vegetables?
d) I was thinking of using kelp as the 'base' for my foliar spray, does this sound wise?

Here is my mix (testing):

benzylaminopurine (dry) (1)
bassinolide 0.1% (dry) (2)
triacontanol (dry) (3)
Amino Acid Complex (dry) (4)
Fulvic Acid (dry) (5)
Yucca Extract (dry) (6)
Ascophyllum Nodusum [via. cold H20 extraction] (liquid) (7)

I have yet to make the solution, I've been busy ready up on hormones, cytokinins, etc. Do you have any quality links or tips on creating a foliar solution? Maybe in regards to mix method or quantities?

Mixing ratios:
The site super-grow (linked below) contains very detailed directions for dissolving the components they sell in H2O. Ratios for ppms are based upon scientific research and usage rates are shown. I intend to start on the lighter doses and work upward. Is this a good plan?

Yucca:
The Yucca extract I found is intended as a dietary supplement (food grade), is this the correct type for foliar applications? Anyone know the correct mixing ratio?

Kelp:
I am not sure if the Ascophyllum Nodusum liquid extract I am thinking of using is in concentrate form or not (I've emailed the company). Is kelp a good component to use as a 'base'? How diluted do you think it should be?
Here is part of the breakdown of naturally occurring acids in "Algamin" (the kelp I want to use):
30 ppm abscissic acid (ABA)
40 ppm cytokinins
70 ppm indole acetic acid (IAA)

Benzylaminopurine:
Yes, I know this is a synthetic cytokinin and it may be redundant to include this when I'm using cold H20 extracted kelp (as kelp contains 40ppm cytokinins). But, I am assuming that more is better (to a point). I think a light-med application of BAP will be beneficial, acting in concert with the kelp's cytokinins. I am wrong in my uneducated guess?

Another concern I have with this cytokinin is the method used to dilute it. The site super-grow gives directions which do not utilize NAOH (which I think is a good idea), instead they suggest:
...Basically, we placed 1 scoop of benzylaminopurine in a small glass container with a small amount of 70% store-bought rubbing alcohol and a few drops of no-tear baby shampoo. This was kept heated between 110 and 150 Fahrenheit for a few minutes and the benzylaminopurine fully dissolved. If you can get alcohol that has higher purity then use that.

...following some tests we found that some types of alcohol were more effective than others. 70% rubbing alcohol (Isopropyl) bought from any pharmacy was much more effective than even 99% methanol alcohol. While both dissolved the powder when it cooled down many flakes came back with the methanol alcohol and not with the rubbing alcohol.

Does this ^^ sound correct?

Brassinolide:
I believe this steriod needs to be mixed just before it is used, is that correct? So I would have to give a friend the pre-mix solution including all the above (except brassinolide) and the correct amount of power brassinolide which they will use to mix with each application?

Triacontanol:
To dissolve this fatty acid (it's not grandular) super-grow suggests:
(Polysorbate 20 is food grade)
Triacontanol powder is a wax-like flake that must be dissolved into a liquid. The best method of turning the Triacontanol powder into liquid is by using a food additive called Polysorbate 20. Among other uses Polysorbate is used in ice cream.

I placed one scoop (1/32 spoon) of the Triacontanol in a glass container with 50 ml of water and one scoop of Polysorbate 20. After heating it in the microwave and shaking it a bit the Triacontanol was completely dissolved.

Does this ^^ sound correct?

If anyone wants link or info regarding the cytokinin (benszylaminopurine), steriod (brassinolide) or fatty acid (triacontanol) let me know.

Opps, just found out I can not post links yet, I need 5 posts first. So if you want links post in this thread, help me out and I can reply, thus getting to five posts and you win the links! ;) LOL . I can PM you links if you want them now or google "super-grow", "groworganic" and "biologicsecure" [I hope that doesn't break site rules]

I am kind of excited to test this mix out, all the components will only cost about 150.00 (I thought it would be more expensive).

Thank you,
bta
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